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7:37 am May 11, 2010
| bobellis75
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Hey guys – my initial reaction is to shoot this down, because, I mean…who trades Pujols??? But thought I'd run it by the forum here….
The offer is:
I give up: Pujols, McCutchen, Brett Anderson
I receive: Votto, Carl Crawford, Ethier
Thoughts??? My pitching staff is pretty loaded, so I can afford to deal Anderson…but am I really getting enough value for Albert here?
Appreciate any help…my first post here – looks like a cool site. Thanks again in advance.
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9:26 am May 11, 2010
| KingLouieLouie76
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Welcome to the site and thanks for posting.
First, what other positional players are on your roster?
Personally, that isn't that bad of a package being offered to you since you're getting a top-10 1B (Votto can potentially leap-frog into the top-5), Crawford is arguably a top-5 OF, and Ethier is vastly coming into his own with plenty of upside….
I love this deal long-term for you, but am curious to know what the rest of your roster consists of?
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7:13 am May 13, 2010
| bobellis75
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Post edited 7:31 am – May 13, 2010 by bobellis75
sorry for the delay on this…..busy work week.
My roster as a whole is:
POSITION PLAYERS
Mike Napoli LAA C, DH
Matt Wieters Bal C, DH
Albert Pujols StL 1B
Billy Butler KC 1B, DH
Brandon Phillips Cin 2B
Alberto Callaspo KC 2B, 3B
David Wright NYM 3B
Adrian Beltre Sea 3B
Stephen Drew Ari SS
Adam Lind Tor OF, DH
Jason Kubel Min OF, DH
Andrew McCutchen Pit OF
Colby Rasmus StL OF
Josh Willingham Was OF
Jason Heyward Atl OF
Fernando Martinez NYM OF (PROSPECT)
PITCHERS
Zack Greinke KC SP
Brandon Webb Ari SP – DL
Felix Hernandez Sea SP
Chad Billingsley LAD SP
Brett Anderson Oak SP – DL
Scott Baker Min SP
Ted Lilly Cubs SP
Aaron Harang Cin SP
Jon Garland SD SP
Scott Olsen Was SP
Joakim Soria KC RP
Mariano Rivera NYY RP
Jeremy Affeldt SF RP
Luke Gregerson SD RP
As you can see I have two of my big guns on the DL on the pitching side…..My team is pretty well loaded, but just not doing well for the second straight year for whatever reason. Bad luck I guess. It's a head to head league, so any given week can be a bad one.
Just getting frustrated and looking to shake it up a bit.
The other guy also offered to add Starlin Castro to the pot if I throw in Adrian Beltre.
Just not sure how the McCutchen for Crawford part stacks up with McCutchen being younger and having a ton of upside…be trading him and Pujols both away….kind of scary.
Thanks for any additional thoughts.
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3:37 pm May 13, 2010
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I'd say go for it, although i'd hate to lose Brett. He's a great #3/#4 SP for you but you are getting alot for Pujols which is the way it should be. And hope ethier isn't a mirage. You also have rasmus and heyward for the long term. You will have a stacked outfield with those two and Lind (assuming you start 3 OF) And you get younger at 1b (plus you have butler) I'd would also throw in beltre for castro. Then look to deal Rasmus or someone to shore up your SP if you think you need it
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3:38 pm May 13, 2010
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Just out of curiosity what are you Starting reqs and scoring that will help as well?
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3:53 pm May 13, 2010
| bobellis75
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starting requirements:
C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, IF, OF, OF, OF, UTIL
P, P, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, RP
Scoring is head-to-head…Runs, RBI, HR, SB, AVG
Wins, Saves, K, ERA, WHIP
5X5 setup.
So that's two votes to make the deal….I still feel like I could get more out of Pujols…but then again, I'll probably never really get a "true" value out of Pujols because he's really worth so much…nobody will probably give more than what I'm getting right here in this offer. Hate to deal McCutchen – I think he's pretty equal to Crawford really (especially in a dynasty) but my OF is pretty well stocked right now and adding Ethier and Crawford certainly can't hurt.
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4:53 am May 14, 2010
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If you think you can get more shoot for it. And if your gut is telling you don't pull th trigger on this trade..don't. We just offer advice, in the end it is your team. Like i said i'd loathe to lose anderson, especially in that scoring. Personally I'd try to take him out of the deal. Otherwise I assume your Stratin gLineup looks something like this. C-Weiters, 1b- Pujols, 2b-Phillips, 3b-Wright, SS-Drew, IF-Butler, OF-Lind, Mccutchen, Rasmus, UTIL- Heyward/Willingham. Greinke, Hernandez, Bills, Baker, Lilly, Soria, Rivera and whoever is hot at the time.
New lineup 1b-Votto, 2b-Phillips, 3b-Wright, SS-Drew, IF-Butler, OF-Lind, Crawford, Ethier, Util-Heyward/Rasmus
You're OF gets a massive upgrade looking at it this way. SP stays the same although i don't like Bills or lilly. You could try to drop Anderson from the deal and see if he'll still bite. Also like i said I would still throw in Beltre for Castro too. Again If your gut is telling yo the deal ain't great for you don't do it. But here is kinda of a break down for you. Good luck.
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6:37 am May 14, 2010
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Pretty dead on with my starting lineup. My starting OF (lately, with Lind struggling) has been McCutchen, Heyward, Rasmus quite a bit this year though.
Like I said, the one thing that really bothers me is the McCutchen/Crawford component. I just think they're really similar – and I'm looking at that part of the trade as an even swap. Then I look at the rest of the the swap as Pujols/Anderson for Ethier/Votto. I'll take a great position player over a pitcher most of the time (depending on the pitcher). But Anderson is a stud and of course Pujols is as well….so I guess it's that component of the deal I'm having a hard time with – Pujols/Anderson for Ethier/Votto.
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7:37 am May 14, 2010
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Another Pujols offer……
What are your thoughts about this: I give up Pujols for Lincecum. Straight up. Then I guess I move Butler to 1B, and play whoever is hot at my IF slot (Callaspo, etc).
Thoughts? Or is the other package deal the better way to go? My pitching after a deal like this one would be Lincecum, Greinke, Felix, Anderson, etc. (as you can see above).
Thanks again for any thoughts!
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12:57 pm May 14, 2010
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i was offered pujols for lincecum and wouldnt do it , but my teams make up is a little different from yours
im curious, is your league a full dynasty , keeper or redraft ? id be more comfortable giving my advice if i knew the league parameters
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1:35 pm May 14, 2010
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Full dynasty. 28 man rosters in season, and we cut back to 25 each spring to draft rookies or any other players we want to round things out. We can trade for extra picks/trade away picks as well.
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2:48 pm May 14, 2010
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the prosepcts of having greinke , felix and lincecum are overwhelming .
i think i would take that trade in any format
although aot of speculation could be made to the longevity of pitchers . its still hard to believe for me that lincecums best years are ahead of him ( he turns 26 next month )
while i dont want to get caught saying pujols may be on a down swing , he is eeking towards the 2nd half oh his prime yrs .
billy butler is a nice 1B and will only improve .
i do this move for lincecum but it is still very close
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6:26 am May 15, 2010
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I guess one concern is the fact that a pitcher can get hurt more easily than a hitter (just so many more things can go wrong with a pitchers body) and also that Pujols plays 6 days a week vs. 1 or maybe 2.
But it's an intriguing offer and one that I'm considering.
I don't think I like that first offer I asked about anymore…mostly based on the component of giving away McCutchen…he's got too much upside.
I'm still thinking about that one too, though….so it basically boils down to these three choices:
1. I trade Pujols for Lincecum (and have the best pitching staff in the league – by far)
2. Pujols, McCutchen, B. Anderson, Beltre for Ethier, Crawford, Votto, Castro
3. Keep Albert and keep team intact.
Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated….I need to figure this out so I can either pull the trigger or let these guys know it's a "no."
Thanks for everyone who's helped already…much appreciated.
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2:28 pm May 15, 2010
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bobellis75 said:
….so it basically boils down to these three choices:
1. I trade Pujols for Lincecum (and have the best pitching staff in the league – by far)
2. Pujols, McCutchen, B. Anderson, Beltre for Ethier, Crawford, Votto, Castro
3. Keep Albert and keep team intact.
Well the trade calculator is working and I plugged these scenarios in….it says "no" to number 1, and "yes" to number 2.
Of course, it doesn't factor in age and dynasty value does it? Because part of trade 1 is getting a few years younger as well…..
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6:44 pm May 16, 2010
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I'd definitely not do it now with Ethier hurting if you wanna contend this year.
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10:51 pm May 16, 2010
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dolemite is on point
you cant do this trade with eithiers health in question
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10:51 pm May 16, 2010
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the trade calculator is not up to date bbellis
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10:51 pm May 16, 2010
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the trade calculator is not up to date bbellis
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7:26 am June 4, 2010
| bobellis75
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I still have Pujols on the roster…
Here's the latest offer: Lincecum and Ellsbury for Pujols. Am I stupid to shoot this down? I could slide Butler to 1B and have a dominant OF once Ellsbury is healthy (sounds like he's close).
And my rotation would be sick…Lincecum, Greinke, Felix, and so on……
Thoughts?
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