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Time to revisit Pujols vs. Ramirez

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2:32 am
April 2, 2010


frankiephilly

Philly

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I have the 1.01 and am still torn. I saw the other thread but want a updated view. Please help. Standard scoring really. 12 team league.

6:48 am
April 2, 2010


KingLouieLouie76

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I was faced w/the same scenario last year.   I had the 1st pick overall in the 1st year of my 12-team keeper league and I ended-up going with Hanley Ramirez.  

My reasoning was Ramirez is nearly 4-years younger than Pujols, possesses some amazing speed and the other main clincher is that there's a major drop-off at SS compared to 1B.  Case in point….I managed to snag Prince Fielder in the 2nd round and his along w/about 3 other 1B stats turned out to be comparable to that of Pujols.

My main long-term concern on Pujols is that he's currently enduring those lingering back issues and that's critical for a 30-year power-hitting 1B who is entering his prime.  I had 2 back surgeries myself and still have immense pain (especially in colder climates) and Pujols at 1B has to be extremely agile and that would compound further strain.  Also, what shouldn't be overlooked that it very well could limit his swing which would obviously detract/take a toll from his power numbers.

Ramirez is sickening in the fact that as a SS, he can go 30/40 which sets him apart from the rest of the pack.  True, he only had 27 SB last season, but out of a mere 35 attempts.  I believe he should receive the greenlight more frequently this season and revert back to his 45+ SB ways.   Then in turn…who is even close to those heights at his respective position?  Jimmy Rollins and Troy Tulowitzki aren't even close while Jose Reyes is on the decline  and Derek Jeter only has about 2-years remaining at an elite level.  

I've been so inclined to want to rank HanRam #1 overall, but want to see if he carries over his Grapefruit League stats into the regular season and see if Pujols back problems will have such a major impact on him that I actually envision it will.  Also, if he's running on all full cylinders on the basepaths, then Ramirez is a must.  

Another question is…..what is the exact scoring categories and modifiers?  I still would go with HanRam at this point regardless….

2:22 pm
April 2, 2010


Diamondback Jay

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posts 12

Here's the issue I have with Hanley.

His power is going to continue to go up.. Meanwhile, as this is happening, his steals are going to decrease.

That being said, it's a hell of a lot harder to find a quality shortstop in the middle rounds, one of Hanley's value. You can get a 1B in rounds 3-5 who will give you some high quality.

Ultimately, you can't go wrong with either, but I'd go with Hanley simply because his position value.

6:36 pm
April 2, 2010


frankiephilly

Philly

Rookie

posts 142

KingLouieLouie76 said:

I was faced w/the same scenario last year.   I had the 1st pick overall in the 1st year of my 12-team keeper league and I ended-up going with Hanley Ramirez.  

My reasoning was Ramirez is nearly 4-years younger than Pujols, possesses some amazing speed and the other main clincher is that there's a major drop-off at SS compared to 1B.  Case in point….I managed to snag Prince Fielder in the 2nd round and his along w/about 3 other 1B stats turned out to be comparable to that of Pujols.

My main long-term concern on Pujols is that he's currently enduring those lingering back issues and that's critical for a 30-year power-hitting 1B who is entering his prime.  I had 2 back surgeries myself and still have immense pain (especially in colder climates) and Pujols at 1B has to be extremely agile and that would compound further strain.  Also, what shouldn't be overlooked that it very well could limit his swing which would obviously detract/take a toll from his power numbers.

Ramirez is sickening in the fact that as a SS, he can go 30/40 which sets him apart from the rest of the pack.  True, he only had 27 SB last season, but out of a mere 35 attempts.  I believe he should receive the greenlight more frequently this season and revert back to his 45+ SB ways.   Then in turn…who is even close to those heights at his respective position?  Jimmy Rollins and Troy Tulowitzki aren't even close while Jose Reyes is on the decline  and Derek Jeter only has about 2-years remaining at an elite level.  

I've been so inclined to want to rank HanRam #1 overall, but want to see if he carries over his Grapefruit League stats into the regular season and see if Pujols back problems will have such a major impact on him that I actually envision it will.  Also, if he's running on all full cylinders on the basepaths, then Ramirez is a must.  

Another question is…..what is the exact scoring categories and modifiers?  I still would go with HanRam at this point regardless….


I kind of agree i just needed back up. thanks louie! The scoring is pretty standard so i think Han Ram is the way to go. thanks.

6:39 pm
April 2, 2010


jakedogg187

Rookie

posts 74

Pujols. If this were a dynasty thread id say HanRam but in a redraft style lg no way i pass on the big guy.

7:47 am
April 3, 2010


Dolemite

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posts 167

Hanley for me he'll contribute in every category and is elite at a thin position. Pujols is close but there's no way he gets 16 steals again this year.

Dolemite | Fantasy Baseball Xtreme Moderator

2:52 pm
April 3, 2010


KingLouieLouie76

Moderator

posts 150

I believe that HanRam's SBs will increase back to around 35-40 range (even if he hits 30+ HRs)….  In the 2nd half he went 14/15 compared to 13/20 in the 1st half.  If I remember he did have some nagging groin, hip-flexor, and thigh bruise injuries last season,  but he should now be completely back to full strength…. So, he won't be the type who will compromise his speed for power….



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