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OfflineWhats up with all these low and pathetic .230 and below BAs? For those of you who don't know me, I recently got back into following Americas Sport; Baseball, after following it very closely during the late 80s up to the mid 90s and even played Fantasy Baseball in 93' when we had to phone in our lineups to the commissioner.
One horrible trend I've noticed since starting back up in Fantasy Baseball and watching games last season are the terribly low batting averages. Back in the day if a player was flirting with .200, they were itching for a one way trip to the minors until they got there act together(Unless they were Jack Clark and could hit 30 home runs while hitting .197). This season especially I have noticed way too many star players flirting with .200 and the majority of catchers save a few hitting around .230. I know the seasons young but if memory serves me correct the longer the season goes the harder the more hits it takes to raise a batting average.
Is is the expansion teams since the 80's? Is this the aftermath of a performance enhancement crackdown? I'm at a loss.
For those who don't know me I'm a very easygoing guy. But once in a while I'll notice something that will ERRK me. Hence, What's up with that?!
OnlineHate to say it, but it must of been the steroids. Hate to say it because i hate the subject. At least we don't hear about it all the time like a few years ago. And of course the continual crackdown on other performance enhancing drugs is probably having an effect.
I wouldn't think that expansion is to blame, I mean, they had to add pitchers too right?
Another reason is probably the interest in other sports by the youth of America and the world. There are so many opportunities in other sports; and there is more exposure in them too.
And don't look past making the "playing fields" more even. Look what they did at Coors Field with the humidifier. The stats are lower there. And then some of the new parks are not hitter friendly. San Francisco, San Diego, and Detroit come to mind.
Yet another reason could be the financial system in baseball. There are just too many players with millions of dollars riding on them. You can't just cut a guy making $8 million a year because he's hitting .239. You gave him the $8 million because you thought he would hit .293 with 35 HR's and 100 RBI. So you wait it out. Maybe if they had a system like football where you cut a guy and don't have to pay him anymore it would help. Of course, we are staring at a season without football as a result.
Along these same lines in the age of the players. Some of these guys have long-term contracts paying them so much money that clubs just cannot cut them. Todd Helton comes to mind. But those same players reach a certain age and the skills diminish. What are you going to do as the ballclub? Eat $80 million? Us fans would like that so that our favorite teams were more competitive, but who will end up paying that bill eventually? Us same fans.
And here's one final thought that might seem out there…part of the reason is because of how kids play now. Remember growing up and being outside ALL the time and finding things to do? I played baseball most of the time. Some played basketball, kids in Canada played hockey. Well, how do kids grow up now? In front of screens developing "thumbs of thunder." Sorry, but two good thumbs in video games does not translate onto the ball field. And that process started in the '80's and we are seeing some of the fruits of that now.
Anyways, those are thoughts that come to mind right before bed. Good-night all.
OfflineI'm not sure I totally agree about steroids…but I'm sure that's the case with some guys. I think most guys probably got off the juice a few years ago at this point, when everything blew up. And I don't think a guy like Jeter, for example, ever juiced. This season in particular has been strange…lot of guys are slumping early. Pujols, Jeter, A-Rod, Dunn, so on and so on….we know A-Rod juiced for a time…but I don't really think those other three did. Or I'm going to prefer my belief that Pujols and Jeter didn't especially, since they are two of the greatest players of the last 20 years. (A-Rod is too, but he's a douche, and the other two guys aren't).
I think with Jeter, it's age. And early season slumps are more magnified because your average and numbers in general suck right out of the gate…where, when you slump in July…it's noticeable…but if you were hitting .315 already…you don't look like you completely suck when your average dips to, say, .299…..you DO however look like you suck when you're hitting .215 right out of the gate.
I agree with Bones about the contracts. Also, I'll throw in change of scenery and change of expectations. Look at Carl Crawford – he gets a huge payday, goes to Boston (where the culture is completely different from Tampa), and is the free agent golden boy. that's a lot of pressure all around…the money, the baseball culture, and so on….some guys slide right in and hit well, some guys crack and have to adjust (and some guys can't handle it at all).
It's an interesting year for sure….
OfflineESPN mentioned on sportscenter last night about all the low BAs. They didn't do a story on it but someone mentioned about it. They'll probably do a story soon about it on Baseball Tonight.
I wouldn't rule out roids to quickly, an acquaintance of mine through High School, Ted Johnson, former linebacker for Carlsbad H.S., U of Colorado and The New England Patriots had a horrendous time coming off of roids. I always knew he took them in H.S. cuz from 8th grade to 9th he gained 50 pounds of muscle and has developed all of the side affects steroids have. Then our Junior H.S. Gym coach got busted in our junior year for selling roids to Carlsbad H.S. athletes(Troy Glaus also went to Carlsbad High but he was an underclassman and I didn't know him that well but my sister did, so I don't know if Troy juiced but Ted admitted to the press that he(Ted) did). To this day Ted battles his demons(He started abusing methamphetamine and opioid based pain pills) but it's safe to say that Roids ruined his career with the Pats and Belicheck.
There are some cases in which a causual user or player who hadn't been on them that long can rebound faster. You really can only judge roid impact on a player to player basis due to also, the mental aspects, some players play poorly without roids simply because in the back off their mind they believe they can't play good with out them, while other player can rebound from roids in a matter of weeks.
But I totally agree that the low BA epidemic is due to to all of the factors that both Bones and Bob mentioned. You guys pretty much covered the whole spectrum of reasons some of these jobbers can't hit.
OnlineYou know Ted Johnson? How cool.
I'm a huge Colorado Buffs fan. My best friend lived in Boulder in the 80's and I'd fly out like twice a year to visit him. Started following the Buffs, and became a fan of the Bronco's and Nuggets as a result. Watched the first Rockies game (Eric Young goes deep!) on t.v.
It is easy to be a Colorado sports fan once you visit there. They are a passionate lot.
Anyways, been hard to be a Buffs fan the past 10 years or so, but maybe the move to the Pac-10 will help. Looking forward to their visits to U of Oregon and Oregon St. in the future. Will try to make those games….
OfflineI totally remember that! I also remember the Rockies and Marlins expansion draft. The Rockies first pick was Andres Galarraga who was coming off of a disappointing injury plagued year with The Expos but they knew he was young and had a couple of stellar years with the Expos,boy did that pay off. And the Marlins selected late 30s pitcher Charlie Hough. That wasn't quite as a good move as the Rockies. There has been a few resurrecting career players with the Rockies namely Vinnie Castilla who was a sub par player with the Braves but went to The Rockies and put up monster numbers.
Yeah I know Ted, we went to Jr. High and High School together, we aren't close friends but if we run into each other we'll talk. North San Diego is a hot bed for athletic talent. My parents moved to Vista in my Junior year and I went to RBVHS also where I went to school with Dave Roberts, who was also a football player in HS. Carlsbad HS produced Brady Anderson, Ted Johnson and Troy Glaus in my years their. John Lynch went to Torry Pines, Junior Seau went to Oceanside HS ans Eric Chavez went to San Dieguito, all which are in North San Diego County. There are too many to list so I'll end with Shawn White from Encinitas.
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OfflineWow! I'm a few years older than you Bob, I pictured you being older(due to your Baseball wisdom). Yeah David Nied had a lot of hype about him but didn't turn out. I also remember The Rockies taking Jerald Clark from the Padres, he had just come off a disappointing year batting 240ish with 10 HRs. We were glad to see him go here in SD. Yeah ESPN covered that. It was "Fresh starts for everyone", kind of a weird draft. It took me a long time to get used to both of those teams because it was the first sports expansion I had experienced.
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